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Title: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on July 21, 2006, 09:37:43 PM
8,591 Number of potential terrorist targets in Indiana – including the Amish Country Popcorn Factory – as of January 2006, the most of any state in the National Asset Database, according to a Department of Homeland Security report released last week.
5,687 Potential targets in New York State.  Among spots not listed: Times Square in New York.
3,212 Potential targets in California, the most populous state.

America, keeping us safe for popcorn consumption around the world!
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on July 24, 2006, 10:56:01 AM
 :o

just blows your mind, doesn\'t it?  i haven\'t felt safe since Bush took office... and it just gets worse.
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: oldfolkie on July 25, 2006, 06:52:29 PM
All those "potential targets"...sounds like reductio ad absurdam to me. Popcorn??!! sheesh.  ::)
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on July 27, 2006, 10:27:43 AM
I don't have any other info. except what is above.  It was reported in Time Magazine.  If I had to venture a guess I would say that it all boiled down to political agenda – 'make my State look good so I can get more federal aid!'

My Husband suggested that perhaps the Amish where hiding a nuclear missile under their factory or perhaps a secret chemical weapons plant, the popcorn tins being the means of distribution!  Hmmm, I wonder...
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: oldfolkie on July 28, 2006, 06:23:44 PM
Maybe it\'s just toxic popcorn?  :o
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: sedagive on August 08, 2006, 09:45:52 PM
Quote8,591 Number of potential terrorist targets in Indiana – including the Amish Country Popcorn Factory

FACT: Terrorists love popcorn.
FACT: A popcorn factory has a lot of popcorn.
C\'mon people, lets connect the dots. ;)
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 09, 2006, 05:55:32 PM
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FACT: Terrorists love popcorn.
FACT: A popcorn factory has a lot of popcorn.
C\'mon people, lets connect the dots. ;)

yeah, but the kernels get i their teeth and if you\'re old enough you might remember that one gets \'rooted to the spot\' when there\'s something in your teeth.
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on August 09, 2006, 09:44:40 PM
I have to report this one even though it has nothing to do with pop corn...but I love the numbers game.
36% -- Percentage of Americans surveyed last year who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003.
50% -- Percentage of Americans surveyed this year who said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003.
What are we actually getting dumber?!
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: sedagive on August 09, 2006, 10:50:20 PM
QuoteI have to report this one even though it has nothing to do with pop corn...but I love the numbers game.
36% -- Percentage of Americans surveyed last year who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003.
50% -- Percentage of Americans surveyed this year who said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003.
What are we actually getting dumber?!

I will be here from time to time and I will probably make you mad (judging from what I\'ve read) most of the time. Polls mean absolutely nothing. If this one has any value maybe it indicates that people are starting to remember when sadam used them on occaision.

Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 10, 2006, 07:38:06 AM
darlin\' we love differing points of view, but i have to remind you - the US sold Sadam many of those wheapons, and were tight buds with him, and aided in keeping him in power.  we remember a lot of things, and are wise enough to know that much of what the government tells us is the lie du jour based on their agenda at the moment.
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on August 10, 2006, 06:24:58 PM
I understand that this is just number spin, that's why I love it.  I think it's fun and funny!
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: sedagive on August 10, 2006, 09:35:57 PM
Quotedarlin\' we love differing points of view, but i have to remind you - the US sold Sadam many of those wheapons, and were tight buds with him, and aided in keeping him in power.  we remember a lot of things, and are wise enough to know that much of what the government tells us is the lie du jour based on their agenda at the moment.

Yes at one time during the cold war Iraq and Iran were fighting each other the U.S. supported Iraq and the Soviets supported Iran.  During wwII we were allied with the soviets against the nazis, and the Japanese good friends of ours now were on the receiving end of a couple of bombs that ended the war.  Things change. Are you conceding the point that sadam had weapons of mass destruction?
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on August 10, 2006, 10:25:17 PM
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36% -- Percentage of Americans surveyed last year who said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003.
50% -- Percentage of Americans surveyed this year who said that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction when the U.S. invaded in 2003.

A quote in regards to the above info.--

"This finding just has to cause despair among those of us who hope for an informed public able to draw reasonable conclusions based on evidence," Michael Massing

I couldn\'t have said it better myself!

Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 11, 2006, 10:25:34 AM
QuoteAre you conceding the point that sadam had weapons of mass destruction?

nope.  it was a manufactured motive for war - even shrub & co. has pretty much admitted they didn\'t have them.  they knew it was bs - they just needed to make up a viable excuse to do what Cheney has wanted to so since Bush I was in office.

things do change, including the loss of any notion that the american government has our best interests at heart.
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: sedagive on August 11, 2006, 12:28:06 PM
Quotedarlin\' we love differing points of view, but i have to remind you - the US sold Sadam many of those wheapons, and were tight buds with him, and aided in keeping him in power.  we remember a lot of things, and are wise enough to know that much of what the government tells us is the lie du jour based on their agenda at the moment.

your words.  Are you denying that sadam used them against the kurds?
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 11, 2006, 01:47:09 PM
trying to toss my words at me doesn\'t really work.  you can\'t have it both ways - you asked me if i was conceding that they did have WMD when we invaded and no i do not.  

i never said they didn\'t use wheapons, and i certainly did say that we sold them wheapons, but did they have what we accused them of having to precipitate our invasion?  no they did not, and i never said that they did.

if you want to discuss something, discuss it, rather than trying to undermine the person in the discussion.  your points should speak for themselves, rather than trying to twist someone else\'s words to be what they are not.

my point in remarking that the US sold many of the wheapons that Iraq used against others is that for us to get all high and holier than thou about their use is idiotic when we supplied them.
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 11, 2006, 05:05:00 PM
and to return to the original topic of feeling safe in America... our terror fighting tax dollars at work:


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060811/ap_on_go_ot/terror_explosives_detection_4
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: sedagive on August 11, 2006, 05:37:55 PM
Quotetrying to toss my words at me doesn\'t really work.  you can\'t have it both ways - you asked me if i was conceding that they did have WMD when we invaded and no i do not.  

i never said they didn\'t use wheapons, and i certainly did say that we sold them wheapons, but did they have what we accused them of having to precipitate our invasion?  no they did not, and i never said that they did.

if you want to discuss something, discuss it, rather than trying to undermine the person in the discussion.  your points should speak for themselves, rather than trying to twist someone else\'s words to be what they are not.

my point in remarking that the US sold many of the wheapons that Iraq used against others is that for us to get all high and holier than thou about their use is idiotic when we supplied them.

I did not twist your words, it was a direct quote all you had to do is tell me that you were making a distinction between the weapons we supplied and wmd. I do not know exactly what we supplied them with but as far as wmd being a manufactured reason, I disagree. Since the war started they have found many of the weapons that constitute wmd. Not the stockpiles they were expecting, but some of materials and weapons. Wmd was however only one reason to go to war. Among the others were 12 years of defying UN resolutions, over and over and over. Another was the connection between al qaida and sadam, and his direct financial support of palestinian suicide bombers.

weapons is not spelled with the letter H.

Things change. If at some time in the past they were allied with us does not mean we can\'t in the future fight them after they invade a country, just because we gave them weapons. That is ridiculous.
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 12, 2006, 05:37:47 PM
i don\'t know why i am wasting my time, i must really be bored but thanks for correcting my typo - as if that mattered.

again you try to change the meaning of what i said - i never said that formerly being allies precluded going to war against another country - it happens all the time.  what i said was to get holier than thou about someone using the weapons we sold them was idiotic.  so - again - you simply want a fight and i\'m not going to supply it, you go on and enjoy believing in the fellas at Fox News and have a nice life.

peace
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: dirtface on August 12, 2006, 09:53:02 PM
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your words.  Are you denying that sadam used them against the kurds?
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Things change. If at some time in the past they were allied with us does not mean we can\'t in the future fight them after they invade a country, just because we gave them weapons. That is ridiculous.

So sedagive,

Do you suppose this would be your choice of verbiage when speaking in reference to Israel some time from now? Just curious you know, cause things do change over time and all right?


Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on August 13, 2006, 02:10:45 PM
Yes, by definition, WMD have indeed been found in Iraq as reported in early August.  However, once again you have to do your homework to get a clearer picture of what they really found, 500 canisters of chemical munitions containing mustard and sirin gases, some were empty and never used.  These canisters are greater then fifteen years old and deemed to be discarded by the deposed Iraq government.  The gas contained inside had long degraded and is completely unusable.  This discovery is a far cry from "mushroom clouds" and "nuclear weapons."  Condoleezza Rice has come to admit that she and her colleagues were wrong; she has said that WMDs were "perhaps" not present in Iraq.  

As far as misspellings, Saddam is capitalized and has two D's, should I start a list?
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: buswolley on August 13, 2006, 03:19:30 PM
G – Interesting article, I wonder how much it coast to determine the terror that is the Amish pop corn factory?

Dirt – I was thinking the exact same thing!
Title: Re: I feel safer already
Post by: gkg on August 14, 2006, 10:00:49 AM
dirtface - yes, that is a very good point!

buswolley - i\'m sure it cost more than it should have, whatever it cost.

anyway, as DOD suggested, i shall cease to debate a stone.