:o :o :o
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I really have to agree with bucketdog here. I would be happy if it were a LE out of 3000 or 10,000, really who cares? I am happy just knowing Buckethead is out there making music -- LE or not. I am even happier knowing that he\'s going the extra mile to make something special for his fans.
As it is said, "Don\'t look a gift horse in the mouth." The complaints people are making about this come across as ungrateful and petulant.
Right on Bucketdog 8) i\'m likin the way you think , i wish people would just shut it and be happy there getting a genuine singed Buckethead item along with anything else special he does for us, he loves his fans and is nice enough to go out of his way and give something out that we will cherish.
why question any of it? ;D
Im an ass for complaining about Spinal Clock
Bucketdog tells it like it is. I wish people would respect BK more, he\'s not some distant and unreachable artist. I dont know when he recorded spinal clock in respect to his time away for recovery, but I think he worked hard to get all the LE\'s set up :-X
Amen Bucketdog!
;) I wanna thank everyone who left supportive comments. I had to get this off my chest. People were pissing me off... Buckethead is my biggest inspiration for guitar playing and is one of the best/coolest people alive. He deserves more than complaints... Boxsteen\'s thread really put me over the edge. But now I hope people will appreciate him more after reading this and understand what it takes to do what he does.
Bucketdog - Awesome!!!!
My thoughts exactly.
If you don\'t like it, don\'t buy it. Plain and simple.
Chill man freedom of speech=Freedom to complain, ...not that im complaining or anything of course
I agree don\'t like then don\'t buy, and I\'d also like to say if you don\'t have anything nice to say then shut the phuk up. ;D
While I agree the complaints are annoying, I can see the other side of the coin. I don\'t remember who initially complained, but they had already ordered expecting a limit of 300. Now, going on that, when it got extended to 500, they technically were the owner of a different product -- one that was limited at 500 instead of 300.
I don\'t think it\'s a reason to complain, but realistically, they should have the option to cancel their order due to the fact that the product WAS changed after they ordered. Now, Travis of course offered this option. The complainer chose not to choose said option, so the complainer should then STFU.
End o\' story, chicken heads.
QuoteWhile I agree the complaints are annoying, I can see the other side of the coin. I don\'t remember who initially complained, but they had already ordered expecting a limit of 300. Now, going on that, when it got extended to 500, they technically were the owner of a different product -- one that was limited at 500 instead of 300.
I don\'t think it\'s a reason to complain, but realistically, they should have the option to cancel their order due to the fact that the product WAS changed after they ordered. Now, Travis of course offered this option. The complainer chose not to choose said option, so the complainer should then STFU.
End o\' story, chicken heads.
It was me.....i repeated what my dad said i honestly didnt mean it i am a buckethead fan and would never get mad like that although i was a bit less excited when it got raised.....
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It was me.....i repeated what my dad said i honestly didnt mean it i am a buckethead fan and would never get mad like that although i was a bit less excited when it got raised.....
Your dad\'s right. It is a legitimate reason to complain if you bought it thinking it was limited to 300, and it gets raised to 500.
On the other hand, Travis raises the numbers all the time behind the scenes, so it\'s really not a big deal. That\'s why awhile back he said he\'ll eventually release the number of Best Regards(?) once it\'s all done.
At least that\'s what I think he meant.
No complaints here
I give thanks to Buckethead!
QuoteNo complaints here
I give thanks to Buckethead!
*thumbs up*
QuoteChill man freedom of speech=Freedom to complain, ...not that im complaining or anything of course
Agreed.. But have a little respect and try and use your brain before opening your mouth. How about that?
I\'ll bite.
To be a Buckethead fan, you don\'t need to love everything he does. If you don\'t like what he is doing, you don\'t have to keep your mouth shut.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (and to voice it) and they have the right and choice not to buy an LE if they don\'t want to. This doesn\'t mean you don\'t have to buy one.
Buckethead is not an infallible god. I\'ve been listening to his stuff for 12 years and he is the most important artist in my life. That said, I don\'t listen to a good 35% of his music because I don\'t really enjoy it.
Does that make me any less of a fan? Sounds like most of you think so...and I won\'t argue because its my opinion.
I haven\'t gotten Spinal Clock LE yet (still waiting), but i\'m going to give it a fair shake...i\'m a little wary based on the samples but i\'m a bit of a collector (not completist mind you) so I picked it up.
Its one thing to be a fan...its another to be obsessive and believe everyone who says they are a Buckethead fan has to love and appreciate everything he has ever done in his life.
I appreciate the LE\'s...i have almost all of them, but at what point do they stop being special to the listener? Well, as I mentioned before, that depends on the listener and fan. For some, it will always be special...for others, it won\'t. No need to fight about it...
Like any fans, Buckethead fans need to vote with their wallet...and I believe they should have the right to provide criticism and feedback as well. An artist should not have to live without constructive criticism in my opinion...it allows them to become complacent.
Anyway, here I am defending those who have complained about the LE\'s...you can agree with me or not...it matters not to me in the long run. I will vote with my wallet with each release as I always have.
Well said.
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To be fair, I think this whole thing got out of hand. The guy was simply mentioning he\'d prefer the total number of LEs to be as low as possible. Everyone went ape sh-t, but it really wasn\'t necessary.
QuoteI\'ll bite.
To be a Buckethead fan, you don\'t need to love everything he does. If you don\'t like what he is doing, you don\'t have to keep your mouth shut.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (and to voice it) and they have the right and choice not to buy an LE if they don\'t want to. This doesn\'t mean you don\'t have to buy one.
Buckethead is not an infallible god. I\'ve been listening to his stuff for 12 years and he is the most important artist in my life. That said, I don\'t listen to a good 35% of his music because I don\'t really enjoy it.
Does that make me any less of a fan? Sounds like most of you think so...and I won\'t argue because its my opinion.
I haven\'t gotten Spinal Clock LE yet (still waiting), but i\'m going to give it a fair shake...i\'m a little wary based on the samples but i\'m a bit of a collector (not completist mind you) so I picked it up.
Its one thing to be a fan...its another to be obsessive and believe everyone who says they are a Buckethead fan has to love and appreciate everything he has ever done in his life.
I agree with you... Example: needle in a slunk stack sucked bad... It sounds like a remix of inbred mountain and crime slunk scene. IM and CSS are amazing epic albums though! Spinal clock is a wicked variation of buckethead, he def explores other weird dimensions of music in this album. I think you\'ll be pleased.... I know I am!
slunk stack sucked good...er,....it was good
didn\'t suck imo neither did follies 8) 8)
^I haven\'t got either yet, but I think with all* music:
It doesn\'t suck per se, it just isn\'t your thang
*All music within reason. Pop is exempt from this rule - It really does suck.
QuoteI\'ll bite.
To be a Buckethead fan, you don\'t need to love everything he does. If you don\'t like what he is doing, you don\'t have to keep your mouth shut.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion (and to voice it) and they have the right and choice not to buy an LE if they don\'t want to. This doesn\'t mean you don\'t have to buy one.
Buckethead is not an infallible god. I\'ve been listening to his stuff for 12 years and he is the most important artist in my life. That said, I don\'t listen to a good 35% of his music because I don\'t really enjoy it.
Does that make me any less of a fan? Sounds like most of you think so...and I won\'t argue because its my opinion.
I haven\'t gotten Spinal Clock LE yet (still waiting), but i\'m going to give it a fair shake...i\'m a little wary based on the samples but i\'m a bit of a collector (not completist mind you) so I picked it up.
Its one thing to be a fan...its another to be obsessive and believe everyone who says they are a Buckethead fan has to love and appreciate everything he has ever done in his life.
I appreciate the LE\'s...i have almost all of them, but at what point do they stop being special to the listener? Well, as I mentioned before, that depends on the listener and fan. For some, it will always be special...for others, it won\'t. No need to fight about it...
Like any fans, Buckethead fans need to vote with their wallet...and I believe they should have the right to provide criticism and feedback as well. An artist should not have to live without constructive criticism in my opinion...it allows them to become complacent.
Anyway, here I am defending those who have complained about the LE\'s...you can agree with me or not...it matters not to me in the long run. I will vote with my wallet with each release as I always have.
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Needle in a slunk stack sounds like recycled material. I have zero issues with anyother album. After listening to inbread mountain and crime slunk scene for a while. Needle in a slunk stack just didn\'t sound up to par with buckethead\'s wild talent.... Just an opinion.....
QuoteNeedle in a slunk stack sounds like recycled material.
According to what I\'ve read, Needle in a Slunk Stack and Forensic Follies both use recycled material. That may be why they sound like recycled material. ;) I don\'t own either, so I can\'t confirm how much is recycled by the use of my own ears.
Alex, I\'m not going to start an argument about what you said, and I wholeheartedly agree that pop music today is garbage, but it\'s my personal opinion that all rap music is garbage as well. (Also, pop music didn\'t suck so much back in the 60s-80s eras of music.)
I think there are some awesome tracks on FF and NIASS. For instance Trunk of the Tree is incredible, IMO.
So is it ok to complain about just the regular albums then?
I like NIASS.
I think everyone likes to complain.
Its all good.
I happen to enjoy Spinal Clock.
It\'s not a 10, but its enjoyable enough that I know I will pull it out every now and again to spin it.
Best Regards is a lot of fun to listen to, if you\'re in the right mood.
Its like pizza...
Cheers all...i was expecting a bit more flaming but i\'m happy to see that most of you agree at least to a point.
You don\'t need to like everything he\'s ever done to be a real fan. I think thats a real misconception with a lot of Buckethead fans. They feel they need to love and defend everything he\'s ever done.
I listen to what I enjoy and what I don\'t enjoy sits on the shelf...CONSTRUCTIVE feedback is what is important though. I\'m sure BH is happy to see people providing feedback (what artist isn\'t?) thats not just gushing admiration. I would imagine that gets old fast!
Anyway, I haven\'t been much of a fan of the last few he\'s released....and thats ok because a lot of other fans do love them. (I think...hehe)
Like i said, i will give Spinal Clock a fair shake! Some people seem to be really digging it so I\'m excited to finally receive it. Maybe today is the day!
QuoteSo is it ok to complain about just the regular albums then?
I like NIASS.
The complaints related to the spinal clock le were about how they conducted their business. NOT THE MUSICAL CONTENT.......... I stated my opinion on NIASS. If you listen to inbred mountain and crime slunk scene before listening to NIASS, you\'ll hear a TON of previously recorded material....And that\'s a fact...
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The complaints related to the spinal clock le were about how they conducted their business. NOT THE MUSICAL CONTENT.......... I stated my opinion on NIASS. If you listen to inbred mountain and crime slunk scene before listening to NIASS, you\'ll hear a TON of previously recorded material....And that\'s a fact...
I think you missed the point of NIASS and Forensic Follies.
The intention was to use old material to make new songs...NONE of it was new material as far as I am aware.
Listen to it with that in mind and you may change your mind....you may not. Either way, now you know! :)
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I think you missed the point of NIASS and Forensic Follies.
The intention was to use old material to make new songs...NONE of it was new material as far as I am aware.
Listen to it with that in mind and you may change your mind....you may not. Either way, now you know! :)
Well, it didn\'t say that on the album, that it was recycled material. Thing is, I\'m used to opening up a new buckethead cd and being blown away( I have 20 of them) and taken on a new adventure of his brilliant madness!! Niass did not have that effect. I should be receiving cucu clocks from hell today and I already previewed it on YouTube. It\'s badass, I\'m so stoked!!! I guess I\'ll avoid forensic follies.
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Well, it didn\'t say that on the album, that it was recycled material. Thing is, I\'m used to opening up a new buckethead cd and being blown away( I have 20 of them) and taken on a new adventure of his brilliant madness!! Niass did not have that effect. I should be receiving cucu clocks from hell today and I already previewed it on YouTube. It\'s badass, I\'m so stoked!!! I guess I\'ll avoid forensic follies.
Understood my bot....i encourage you to check the reviews at TK....you can usually get a good idea of what the albums are about there...and there is always a LOT of talk about the content of the music....so that might help ya pick the albums that you\'ll like.
I own over 80 Buckethead related albums and i certainly don\'t love them all. But man...who releases that many albums?
We\'re spoiled rotten!! We can choose which ones we like and avoid the ones we don\'t.
And Jowaxe, your a cool and smart dude. I like the way you think :)
Thanks bud...i don\'t post on here as much as I should. I\'ve been a lurker at the threshold for a while! :)
I go by ShredAstaire at buckethead.tk...not sure if you are a member or not.
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Understood my bot....i encourage you to check the reviews at TK....you can usually get a good idea of what the albums are about there...and there is always a LOT of talk about the content of the music....so that might help ya pick the albums that you\'ll like.
I own over 80 Buckethead related albums and i certainly don\'t love them all. But man...who releases that many albums?
We\'re spoiled rotten!! We can choose which ones we like and avoid the ones we don\'t.
I would second this good bot\'s advice. Once NIASS came out the TK community knew instantly that it was like Forensic Follies in that it was a Mash-up record or Bucket\'s version of a re-mix album. There are even a few threads over there on both of those albums pointing out what songs were used in the creation of the new slabs.
8)
QuoteYou don\'t need to like everything he\'s ever done to be a real fan. I think thats a real misconception with a lot of Buckethead fans. They feel they need to love and defend everything he\'s ever done.
I listen to what I enjoy and what I don\'t enjoy sits on the shelf...CONSTRUCTIVE feedback is what is important though. I\'m sure BH is happy to see people providing feedback (what artist isn\'t?) thats not just gushing admiration. I would imagine that gets old fast!
Anyway, I haven\'t been much of a fan of the last few he\'s released....and thats ok because a lot of other fans do love them. (I think...hehe)
For me, you hit the nail on the head with the stuff I\'ve quoted here.
I feel the exact same way about liking some but not all of the albums. For instance, when I first heard some stuff off Inbred Mountain and Elephant Man\'s Alarm Clock, I thought it was too screechy and harsh for me to like. Now, I\'ve warmed up a little bit to these quirks of Buckethead\'s music, but I generally still don\'t like the really harsh stuff like Island of Lost Minds and so forth.
I also agree that constructive criticism makes sense since he is a current-day artist, and he may make some decisions based on what the fans say. Although, Buckethead does seem to like doing his own thing, so perhaps he\'ll just keep them in mind and keep doing whatever it is that he does in the studio. :)
I also haven\'t been much of a fan of the last few releases. I don\'t know specifically which you are referring to, but the most recent album I\'ve truly liked is Slaughterhouse on the Prairie, and the others are a tad too mellow for me.
Anyway, if you\'re reading this, Big B, I think it would be cool if you\'d return to the days of Pepper\'s Ghost and Decoding the Tomb of Bansheebot. If you don\'t, that\'s cool as well. I\'m sure you\'ve still got creative juices flowing in your body.
Who really cares if NIASS was "recycled" material? It\'s barely recognizable and used in a completely different way. A very interesting and innovative way, I dug it :)
I care that NIASS and FF is recycled materal... I cant listen to it because I know the original songs too well. I drives me crazy because its all just cut up and orginized in a way that is disjointed. It just makes me just want to listen to the original stuff more than anything.
I like the idea... only it didnt work out well for my ears.
I like the fact that Buckethead did, yet again, something different, so keep pushing those boundries Buckethead!
I don\'t mean to keep bringing it up, but to me, FF and NIASS were "games" - with each listen I could pick out what was used and from what song. By the time I picked up one note or strum, the entire song (or in some cases, album) changed. Some of them I couldn\'t even pin-point, and even now I listen trying to place which part was used where and from what song. It\'s more fun than it sounds, and you don\'t really overlook the skill. It takes more talent than you realise to create a new song out of existing material.
QuoteWho really cares if NIASS was "recycled" material? It\'s barely recognizable and used in a completely different way. A very interesting and innovative way, I dug it :)
I dug it too.
At first blush I thought it was "assembled" better than FF, but in the long run, I actually dig FF more than NIASS
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I like the idea... only it didnt work out well for my ears.
Fair Enough
QuoteI like the fact that Buckethead did, yet again, something different, so keep pushing those boundries Buckethead!
In actuallity, it wasn\'t all that different as Zappa created a genre of music theory called Xenochrony.
http://wiki.killuglyradio.com/wiki/Xenochrony
But I will agree that Bucket did it his way. 8)